Running TomTom 7.910 on a generic Win CE 6 PNA - Memory Prob

I have managed to get a version working now.
It's v7.91 and it's working with Western Europe map 850_2782.
It's thanks to a guy called Guidorenato. Look up TomTom7-WinCE-4.2-without-memory problems.
Follow his instructions.
It involves downloading his TomTom v7.91(I knocked out all the voices that were no good to me), then finding the map, which I managed. As well as downloading his mapsettings.cfg file.

I loaded his program on an SD card along with map.I ran it to get a .bif file so I could activate the map and produce a DCT file using 'autoactivate.exe'.

I then put his mapsettings.cfg into the map folder.
When I loaded it, it loaded with a route. No GPS yet. I configured all the settings and then the GPS and it worked.
It planned a route to somewhere in Italy I think. I deleted this route and planned a route to my local town and it works.
I also loaded up the SD card with music and junk and left only 2.5 MB, just in case this was a factor as well. I haven't tested that side yet, because it works and I don't want to mess it up.
I leave a route on it when I shut down.
It just goes to show that it has nothing to do with not enough memory. but everything to do with program paths and missing links.

Right, I have now road tested this and it is brilliant, even faster than the version I already had working.
No corruptions in it either so far as I can see. None of the 'getting the wrong flag with the wrong language' and that kind of thing that I have found with some other versions.
Thanks again, and for those that have failed on cheap chinese WinCE 6.0 devices, there must be hope.

Pleased to hear that you have come right. I have just bought a new Chinese PNA called " MediaTek". It has a 5.1" screen and everything is so nice and big and easy to read. 64MB RAM WinCE5. The most amazing thing about this unit is that it came with TomTom App version 7.910 (9185) alreaded loaded on the Micro SD Card. I Now have Free RAM: 38.7 MB Map:"Southern_Africa_850.2795" Works 100%, No "out of Memory" Problems. Only received it from China yesterday but they swear it will not crash. I am going to make a copy and try it on my CE6 unit as i still have occasional problems with that one.Also bear in mind that i am running the 7.450 on CE6. TomTom will work fine for a couple of days and then the OUT OF Memory problem.

EddieKruger wrote:Pleased to hear that you have come right. I have just bought a new Chinese PNA called " MediaTek". It has a 5.1" screen and everything is so nice and big and easy to read. 64MB RAM WinCE5. The most amazing thing about this unit is that it came with TomTom App version 7.910 (9185) alreaded loaded on the Micro SD Card. I Now have Free RAM: 38.7 MB Map:"Southern_Africa_850.2795" Works 100%, No "out of Memory" Problems. Only received it from China yesterday but they swear it will not crash. I am going to make a copy and try it on my CE6 unit as i still have occasional problems with that one.Also bear in mind that i am running the 7.450 on CE6. TomTom will work fine for a couple of days and then the OUT OF Memory problem.

Most of them seem to have IGO8 loaded or Amigo. So you are lucky to have Tomtom already on it.
Just about everything else you can can run on that unit, apart from Navigon, Garmin XT, Mobile Navigator and some others that need more processing power.

I personally have now managed to get every sat nav out there working on my two chinese PNAs, it's been a long hard slog, but worth it.
Some are better than others and I can pick and choose.
I do like Tomtom though because there is so much scope for mods like speed camera voice warnings, silly voices, you name it. IGO8 is probably the best with all the skins available and Primo is great too.

My Tomtoms are stable and do not come up with out of memory errors, although it's early days for 7.910 (9185), but I don't think it will let me down now.
Although they only run on my 64 MB SDRAM 480x272 device and they don't run on my 128 MB SDRAM 800x480 device.
Perhaps they don't run on 800x480. What's your screen resolution?

My resolution is 480x272 on both my units. My MediaTek did come with iGO8 and the TomTom was an optional extra for R99.00 but i negotiated with them to take off the iGo8 due to the fact that the maps were 2 years old and not charge the extra for TomTom, which they did but also left the iGO8 on. I was about to ask you a question, but i saw the answer in your last post. It concerned Navigon. No matter what i do, can't get it to work. I use the CE5 version 7.4.2, point my path to the Navigon.exe and when i hit the Navigation tab in the menu, just get a message "Please set Navigation Path" It does not even try to start. It is like it does not even see the .exe I go into WiNCE and try to launch from there and just get a message, "cannot find navigon.exe or one of its components" I have version 7.6.3 running on my CE6 64MB but sometimes crashes saying "Please convert storage memory to Program memory" but there is just nothing left to convert. That is the reason that i purchased the MediaTek as i was told by them that it has 128MB of RAM and it turned out to only have 64MB RAM and 128MB ROM. They have apologised to me for their mistake and have offered to refund me in full if i send it back, but i must admit, i am enjoying the larger screen, just so much easier to read. Why will Navigon not work on this unit, it has the same RAM as the WinCE6 unit so it can't be a memory problem?

EddieKruger wrote:My resolution is 480x272 on both my units. My MediaTek did come with iGO8 and the TomTom was an optional extra for R99.00 but i negotiated with them to take off the iGo8 due to the fact that the maps were 2 years old and not charge the extra for TomTom, which they did but also left the iGO8 on. I was about to ask you a question, but i saw the answer in your last post. It concerned Navigon. No matter what i do, can't get it to work. I use the CE5 version 7.4.2, point my path to the Navigon.exe and when i hit the Navigation tab in the menu, just get a message "Please set Navigation Path" It does not even try to start. It is like it does not even see the .exe I go into WiNCE and try to launch from there and just get a message, "cannot find navigon.exe or one of its components" I have version 7.6.3 running on my CE6 64MB but sometimes crashes saying "Please convert storage memory to Program memory" but there is just nothing left to convert. That is the reason that i purchased the MediaTek as i was told by them that it has 128MB of RAM and it turned out to only have 64MB RAM and 128MB ROM. They have apologised to me for their mistake and have offered to refund me in full if i send it back, but i must admit, i am enjoying the larger screen, just so much easier to read. Why will Navigon not work on this unit, it has the same RAM as the WinCE6 unit so it can't be a memory problem?

I never had much trouble getting Navigon to work on my 64 MB SDRAM/ 400MHz/ 480x272 device.
The problem being that it ran like a snail and was totally unusable.
That's why I bought a second device that had 128 SDRAM/600 MHz/800x480 to run programs like Navigon.
Navigon now works fast enough to be practical. it is v MN 7.4.3 that I am using.

I wouldn't bother with Navigon on your device, it won't run fast enough.

By the way a lot of these Chinese units are 64 MB SDRAM masquerading as 128 MB, so I waited specifically until a cheap, proper 128 MB one came along and with faster processing speed, and I have been pleased with it.
Apart from the Tom tom I would send it back and get one like mine.
Can you put the Tomtom on your computer and send it back? It's not write protected is it?
Mind you the Tom Tom might not work on the new device if it has a different resolution, mine doesn't.
What's the processor speed on yours?

Here is a link for the new unit
As far as i can see SiRF-ATLAS IV AT840 500MHz I am busy making a backup copy and will try it on my CE6 Will let you know. Any answer for me as to why i get no reaction at all from the Navigon.exe?

It is against forum rules to post this kind of link!!

EddieKruger wrote:Here is a link for the new unit.

As far as i can see SiRF-ATLAS IV AT840 500MHz I am busy making a backup copy and will try it on my CE6 Will let you know. Any answer for me as to why i get no reaction at all from the Navigon.exe?

That link does not bring up your unit, it may have been removed.
I don't know why you've had no success with Navigon.
I always found every version ran on my device after configuring the GPS baud rate and port in the script settings>core>CoreConfig.ini
Navigon was one of the easiest to get working.
You do however have to have a proper map with it if I recall correctly for it to start and the nfs files.
Some sat nav systems don't even start without a map.
I can't properly remember if Navigon is one of them.

I could try it for you tonight, if I have the time. I will load Navigon.exe alone with the software, no map, and see what happens.

Thanks, i have used my working map from my CE6, the whole map folder, so i doubt if it could be that causing the problem. The way that it reacts would be the same if i just pointed a path to a text file instead of the .exe Just does nothing. I have double checked my core .ini and UserSettings.default and the Applicationsettings.xml and ApplicationSettingsPathes.xml and all is correct to my SDMMC

EddieKruger wrote:Thanks, i have used my working map from my CE6, the whole map folder, so i doubt if it could be that causing the problem. The way that it reacts would be the same if i just pointed a path to a text file instead of the .exe Just does nothing. I have double checked my core .ini and UserSettings.default and the Applicationsettings.xml and ApplicationSettingsPathes.xml and all is correct to my SDMMC

I've tried running Navigon.exe with nothing in the map folder and it runs. It just shuts down with an error message.
How many versions of Navigon have you tried?
I've never not got one to at least run the .exe.
My devices are WinCE 6.0

Now that you have informed me that the .exe still tries to do something, even without the map, takes all my suspicion away from the map folder. I have tried 7.4.2 7.4.3 and of course 7.6.3 (i know this version is for CE6 but i know for sure that it works, just wanted to see if i get a reaction) I think that i will start from a fresh SD card and see what happens. Still need to go out and buy one. I have lots of normal cards but the CE5 uses Micro SD

EddieKruger wrote:Now that you have informed me that the .exe still tries to do something, even without the map, takes all my suspicion away from the map folder. I have tried 7.4.2 7.4.3 and of course 7.6.3 (i know this version is for CE6 but i know for sure that it works, just wanted to see if i get a reaction) I think that i will start from a fresh SD card and see what happens. Still need to go out and buy one. I have lots of normal cards but the CE5 uses Micro SD

The problem with getting so many systems to work over the years often means that I forget just how I did it sometimes.
When I have time I will try to find a Navigon and a suitable map and try to marry up the two, as though I had never done it before and see what happens and what obstacles I find.

As for discounting that the map is the problem, are you sure?
Now let me get this straight about what you have achieved. I read on another forum Mobile Passion that you had merrily got to precede quite well into settings on Navigon. Have you ever actually viewed a map on it?
You see the error message I got with the 'map' folder empty was 'Application Navigon.exe encountered a serious problem and must shut down'. That's the error message you got wasn't it?

I have Navigon 7.6.3 working 100% on my CE6 64MB with the map that i got from Ropac. Been up and running for about 1 month.The only problem that i have is that every now and then it comes up with the message about converting storage memory to program memory. It shuts down and i restart and then it will work fine for a couple of days and then come up with the error message again. I am obviously running at the memory limit. I know that ideally it needs 128MB RAM to work without glitches.So i think it is safe to say that i am familiar with all the setting changes that need to be done to certain files so that it will launch properly. Now, as i said before, what actually baffles me is the reason why i get no response on my CE5 64MB RAM unit using the proper CE5 versions. I would be happy if i at least got a message about Navigon.exe has performed bla bla bla then at least i would know that the path is seeing the.exe and i could look into what is going on.I went and bought a new Micro 2GB sd card this afternoon and i will get working on it in the morning.
Could you please PM me your e-mail address. I would like to send you some photos taken with the screenshot application. Some photos are taken from simulation and others while actually driving.

EddieKruger wrote:I have Navigon 7.6.3 working 100% on my CE6 64MB with the map that i got from Ropac. Been up and running for about 1 month.The only problem that i have is that every now and then it comes up with the message about converting storage memory to program memory. It shuts down and i restart and then it will work fine for a couple of days and then come up with the error message again. I am obviously running at the memory limit. I know that ideally it needs 128MB RAM to work without glitches.So i think it is safe to say that i am familiar with all the setting changes that need to be done to certain files so that it will launch properly. Now, as i said before, what actually baffles me is the reason why i get no response on my CE5 64MB RAM unit using the proper CE5 versions. I would be happy if i at least got a message about Navigon.exe has performed bla bla bla then at least i would know that the path is seeing the.exe and i could look into what is going on.I went and bought a new Micro 2GB sd card this afternoon and i will get working on it in the morning.
Could you please PM me your e-mail address. I would like to send you some photos taken with the screenshot application. Some photos are taken from simulation and others while actually driving.

I don't know about WinCE 5.0 devices and their limitations, since I have only ever run sat nav systems on a PDA with windows mobile and then two WinCE 6.0 PNA devices.
So I am afraid I can't help you, and you sending me screenshots won't help.
Am I right in saying that you have a WinCE 6.0 device which works well with Navigon and now you have bought a WinCE 5.0 device (albeit a bit faster)? Why?

Why not send it back and get a WinCE 6.0 running at 600 MHz and with 128 Mb SDRAM and 800X480 for roughly the same money? Mine cost about £65. Then I could give you a link to a version that runs with 800x480 resolution and there aren't many.

I don't understand why you are persevering with something that is not meeting your needs.

One of the main reasons that i bought the CE5 unit was because of the 5.1" screen and the resolution 480x272 which seemed at the time, the correct resolution to go for as most new softwares, when launched, only comes out in 480x272 and it is quite a while before the other resolutions become available. The other reason was because of the 128MB Ram which Navigon needs to run without issues... Only to find out after it arrived that it was infact 64MB but with a 100% working TomTom 7.9 without memory issues. The supplier has said if i send it back and pay for the shipping (approx R200) then they would give me a full refund on the unit.
Thanks for the PM. I had a look at the unit and it looks very similar to mine. I will check if my supplier will be able to exchange it.
I was playing around last night and this is the first time that i have had a reaction with Navigon on this unit.

Okay i have finally managed to get my CE5 unit to do something. I have used 7.4.3 Build 8310 and if i use Navigon.exe NOTHING happens, BUT if i change path to Autorun.exe it starts to launch. Splash screen with the world and the orange logo with Navigon And the world is yours, appears but there is an error message "Could not open ApplicationSettings" Are you able to offer any help with this?

EddieKruger wrote:One of the main reasons that i bought the CE5 unit was because of the 5.1" screen and the resolution 480x272 which seemed at the time, the correct resolution to go for as most new softwares, when launched, only comes out in 480x272 and it is quite a while before the other resolutions become available. The other reason was because of the 128MB Ram which Navigon needs to run without issues... Only to find out after it arrived that it was infact 64MB but with a 100% working TomTom 7.9 without memory issues. The supplier has said if i send it back and pay for the shipping (approx R200) then they would give me a full refund on the unit.
Thanks for the PM. I had a look at the unit and it looks very similar to mine. I will check if my supplier will be able to exchange it.
I was playing around last night and this is the first time that i have had a reaction with Navigon on this unit.

Okay i have finally managed to get my CE5 unit to do something. I have used 7.4.3 Build 8310 and if i use Navigon.exe NOTHING happens, BUT if i change path to Autorun.exe it starts to launch. Splash screen with the world and the orange logo with Navigon And the world is yours, appears but there is an error message "Could not open ApplicationSettings" Are you able to offer any help with this?

I've not had that error message and I don't know what it signifies exactly.
Is ApplicationSetting.xml present and correct in the 'settings' folder?

Often when things can't be opened or found it's because they're inside a folder within a folder. That is, that the path is wrong.

Like for instance, people put maps inside a folder called map as a matter of course, but if you try that with Tomtom for example it can't find it since the program is written to see the map in the same root as Tomtom Navigator, thus comes up with 'map not found'.
It should be SDMMC>Tomtom Navigator
And SDMMC>Map in parallel and not SDMMC>Tomtom Navigator>Map
But no doubt you know all this.
I would be tempted to compare the folder/file structure of Navigon WinCE 6.0 that works for you and that of the version for WinCE 5.0 that doesn't and see if there is something missing or inconsistent in the WinCE 5.0 version.
You can open most files with notepad and view the contents and look to see if they make sense and are consistent.

If not, get another .exe file from another download or a completely different version download from a difference source and see what happens.

Keep trying, but I doubt even with success you will get Navigon working at the speed that makes it usable.
Are you saying you have Navigon WinCE 6.0 working at full speed on your first device, because I could never manage that. And if you can't, it will probably be a waste of effort for the second device (WinCE 5.0) ultimately.